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It may just be me... but I think that france is great

PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:34 pm
by PWPeeker
Does anyone here agree with me that franc makes better foreigne films? Eh... while I'm here... check out this record company: www.pumpkineaterrecords.com

Re: It may just be me... but I think that france is great

PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 3:46 pm
by Gaz
I've made this point several times before, so I'm wasting my breath, but I think it's pointless classing films by country, as there is so much variation even in a single nation's cinematic output.

Having said this, there is something very special to me about the films of Malle and Truffaut in particular, not to mention earlier directors. For me, however, films like Diva, which place style over substance, are disappointing - not what I would term traditionally 'French' films.

But I'm sure others have different views - we all love foreign films, but we also have widely different tastes. Perhaps that's what's so special about this site.

Re: It may just be me... but I think that france is great

PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:17 am
by patsfan86
Amen!

Re: It may just be me... but I think that france is great

PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:34 am
by gimferrer
'The Closet' and 'Dinner Du Cons' are the best comedies I have seen from France lately, Gerard Depardieu it's great!, I also liked 'Amerie' and 'Delicatessen' from Jean Pierre Jeaunet. I loved 'Taxi' and 'Taxi 2', Marius Et jeanette', 'La Fille Suer Le Pond' and I am waiting to see '8 woman' this xmas!

Oh La Laaa !

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Re: It may just be me... but I think that france is great

PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:22 am
by Bacchus33
I think that, in all forms of art, France has been consistently excellent. However the greatest achievements of Germany, Italy or Ireland surpass French art - Goethe, the Renaissance, Joyce, etc. Maybe this is because in France there always seem to be schools, or collectives, of artists, eg. symbolism in poetry or nouvelle vague in cinema. The greatest artists of other countries seem to be more isolated and able to rise above and out of the group - Picasso out of cubism, etc. Perhaps this is the same in filmmaking.

Re: It may just be me... but I think that france is great

PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 3:16 pm
by Gaz
Oooh, this is turning into a hot potato...I think you can't dismiss schools and collectives as a principally French thing. What about the Old and New German Schools in 19th century classical music (i.e. Brahms vs Wagner) or New German Cinema. What about the Late Romantic literary movement in Germany - Mann etc.

And of course there are individuals in each country - nobody ever made films quite like Jean Vigo for instance - even Jacques Demy had his own style.

I'm not trying to start an argument (I'm probably not qualified) but just trying to throw a spanner in the works.

By the by, I don't know a great deal about Italian visual art, but Italian cinema is largely wasted on me, and much Italian music seems to me too superficial (even Scarlatti and Verdi, whom among others I admire, focus on the surface of the product more than composers from other countries - or is this just another generalisation? Answers on a postcard.).

Re: It may just be me... but I think that france is great

PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 8:31 pm
by thegreatken1
Speaking of French films, "Wasabi" came out in San Diego. I'm probably going to see in later on this week.

Re: It may just be me... but I think that france is great

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2002 12:28 pm
by Bacchus33
Yes, I see what you mean Gaz, perhaps I was being more than a little rash. Of course the prime examples would be the Athens school and the Italian Renaissance. I must modify my idea a little - Caravaggio, Velasquez, Vermeer are my favourite painters but Raphael? He was the Renaissance; there was no need for an 'overcoming' of it. That is why the Renaissance was the highest achievement of man - it revealed art and concealed the artist.