The thief who steals my time...

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Re: The thief who steals my time...

Postby wpqx » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:55 am

I concur, and this can easily turn into a Godard discussion. Chytilova seems in many ways a direct influence on Makavejev's work. When I was hard core watching Czech films I simply watched everything I came across without following any recommendations or reason behind it.
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Re: The thief who steals my time...

Postby R6dw6C » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:26 pm

Just found that Poster of "Lemonade Joe" (the head line says "The West has never been so wild before!" ):



You're probably right about the artistic similarities between Chytilová and Makavejev, A was also of the opionion that "Mysteries of the Organism" was similar in many ways to "Daisies".

When I was hard core watching Czech films I simply watched everything I came across without following any recommendations or reason behind it.
I'd even say that's the best "technique" but if your time is limited and you're not patient enough, you hardly manage to go on like that (and without a rental store like Facets around the corner - who would by a "suspect" film?). Many people avoid reading anything about a film before they watch it - sometimes, it would be great to be like that because clearly specified expectations are rarely advantages.
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Re: The thief who steals my time...

Postby wpqx » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:57 pm

I never really explored Facets Czech collection, but got most of the films I watched from libraries.
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Re: The thief who steals my time...

Postby arsaib4 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:21 pm

R6dw6C wrote: Having said that, I'd still like to see more of his work on the big-screen. Come over to Nuremberg, they're mostly screened with English subtitles.



I just might show up one of these days.

Well, it actually seems as there weren't too many outstanding films around in general. A and Matalo even left one screening because the film ("Coupable") was too terrible. They never did that before as far as I'm concerned. But a few light were shimmering such as "Just Anybody", "United Red Army" (this film is for you, arsaib!), "Otto; or, up with dead People" and "Loos Ornamental". Don't get too worried about A's comment, after all, he hasn't seen a masterpiece last year, though there were plenty around.

I'd certainly like to explore more of Japanese auteur Wakamatsu Kôji.

As for the Czechoslovak New Wave films and Chytilová, you may also want to check out Fruit of Paradise and her work in the omnibus Pearls of the Deep. Jires' Valerie and Her Week of Wonders is of similar vein. And Nemec's Diamonds of the Night keeps one foot firmly in the avant-garde (its surrealistic tones and editing patterns will remind you of The Cremator, and some of the action itself of Van Sant's Gerry).
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Re: The thief who steals my time...

Postby wpqx » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:44 am

I have heard someone else mention Valerie and its one of the few films I still need to check out.
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Re: The thief who steals my time...

Postby R6dw6C » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:50 pm

@ wpqx:

All right, but if you have libraries around which carry such films, you're fortunate nevertheless. We haven't got something like that here. Praise yourself lucky!

@ arsaib.

I just might show up one of these days. Are you serious?! The smiley isn't assuring...

I'd certainly like to explore more of Japanese auteur Wakamatsu Kôji.
...who was considered a Trash and Porn Filmmaker almost his entire life but nowadays, he's suddenly a political artist * ... That's the typical kind of cinematic double standard today. Hopefully, the same people will also discover my admired Dario Argento as the serious auteur he is in my opinion. It doesn't seem they already do, though he once was member of the Jury at the Berlinale a few years ago (Roland Emmerich also was...).

As for the Czechoslovak New Wave films and Chytilová, you may also want to check out Fruit of Paradise and her work in the omnibus Pearls of the Deep. Jires' Valerie and Her Week of Wonders is of similar vein. And Nemec's Diamonds of the Night keeps one foot firmly in the avant-garde (its surrealistic tones and editing patterns will remind you of The Cremator, and some of the action itself of Van Sant's Gerry).
Thanks a lot! Your description of "Diamonds of the Night" sounds intoxicating... I tracked down a German dubbed VHS-Copy of "Fruits of Paradise" but it was in unwatchable shape. I also have heard (and read) tons of intriguing things about "Valerie and her Week of Wonders" but as long as I can't purchase a subtitled DVD for a human price (the UK and US-DVDs are OOP as far as I know), I can't do much more than waiting. Anyway, I'm out of money and czech cinema will have to wait (but there's a VHS of Milos Forman's "Black Peter" waiting for me ).

* Very funny - many people (critics...) were enthusiastic about "United Red Army" as a great example of political cinema. During the Q&A after the Film, Wakamatsu clearly expressed that he had no political film in mind . The elder films of his that were screened showed political tendencies, though (Especially "Ecstasy of the Angels").
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Re: The thief who steals my time...

Postby arsaib4 » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:27 am

R6dw6C wrote: That's the typical kind of cinematic double standard today. Hopefully, the same people will also discover my admired Dario Argento as the serious auteur he is in my opinion. It doesn't seem they already do, though he once was member of the Jury at the Berlinale a few years ago (Roland Emmerich also was...).

Absolutely, but not just of today. Look at the respect now granted to the likes of Sam Fuller and Anthony Mann. But we're dependent on that (rather large) faction of the critical establishment and of the moviegoing audience who don't know what "art" is, what an "auteur" is. No matter how loudly we shout, our voices will continue to be drown out by theirs because they have the numbers on their side. But as I mentioned to you in another thread, time can do justice to the those who deserve it, especially the so-called "genre" filmmakers. Dario will be fine, I have no doubt in my mind (even now, he's much better off than many), but that hack you mentioned won't be. Speaking of the Berlinale, it pains me to see the Golden Bear, which once went to Alphaville and Love Streams, La notte and The Thin Red Line, being awarded to relatively mediocre, middlebrow films over the last few years.

"Thanks a lot! Your description of "Diamonds of the Night" sounds intoxicating... I tracked down a German dubbed VHS-Copy of "Fruits of Paradise" but it was in unwatchable shape. I also have heard (and read) tons of intriguing things about "Valerie and her Week of Wonders" but as long as I can't purchase a subtitled DVD for a human price (the UK and US-DVDs are OOP as far as I know), I can't do much more than waiting. Anyway, I'm out of money and czech cinema will have to wait (but there's a VHS of Milos Forman's "Black Peter" waiting for me )."

That's funny because I just watched Forman's new film called Goya's Ghosts. Not a disaster, but long ways away from his 60's efforts.
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Re: The thief who steals my time...

Postby R6dw6C » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:09 pm



01. 03. 08:
CHUNGKING EXPRESS (Kar-Wai Wong, Hong Kong 1994) - 7/10
(35mm / O.V. with English Subtitles)
EAST OF EDEN (Elia Kazan, USA 1955) - 10/10 (24)
(DVD / O.V. with German Subtitles / 2nd)



02. 03. 08:
THE CAT O'NINE TAILS (Dario Argento, Italy/West Germany 1971) - 7/10 (17)
(DVD / English Dubbed Version / 4th)





03. 03. 08:
SLEEPY HOLLOW (Tim Burton, USA/UK 1999) - 7/10 (18)
(DVD / O.V. with German Subtitles)
MOUCHETTE (Robert Bresson, France 1967) - 10/10 (24)
(DVD / O.V. with English Subtitles)
THE EDGE OF HEAVEN (Fatih Akin, Germany /Turkey/Italy 2007) - No Rating
(35mm / O.V. with German Subtitles / wrong aspect ratio / 2nd)




04. 03. 08:
THE ABOMINABLE DR. PHIBES (Robert Fuest, UK/USA 1971) - 6/10 (16)
(DVD / O.V. with German Subtitles)
AN EYE FOR AN EYE (Steve Carver, USA 1981) - 8/10 (21)
(DVD / German dubbed version)
TRAUMA (Dario Argento, USA 1993) - No Rating
(DVD / O.V. with German Subtitles / 4th)
WINNETOU AND SHATTERHAND IN THE VALLEY OF DEATH (Harald Reinl, West Germany/Yugoslavia/Italy 1968) - 9/10 (22)
(DVD / Original German / dubbed version / 9th)




08. 03. 08:
ANUSCHKA (Helmut Käutner, Germany 1942) - 9/10 (22)
(35mm / Original German Version / wrong aspect ratio)
INFERNO (Roy Ward Baker, USA 1953) - 7/10 (18)
(35mm / Original English Version / 3 D)




09. 03. 08:
DEATH IN VENICE (Luchino Visconti, Italy/France 1971) - 9/10 (22)
(35mm / German dubbed version / wrong aspect ratio / out of focus)
NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN (Ethan Coen, Joel Coen, USA 2007) - 7/10 (19)
(35mm / O.V. with German Subtitles / excellent projection)
WIR MACHEN MUSIK (Helmut Käutner, Germany 1942) - 8/10 (20)
(35mm / Original German Version / wrong aspect ratio)
OUT OF THE PAST (Jacques Tourneur, USA 1947) - No Rating
(35mm / O.V. with bad German subtitles)




10. 03. 08:
THE SANDPIPER (Vincente Minnelli, USA 1965) - 8/10 (21)
(VHS / German dubbed version)



11. 03. 08:
THE CURSE OF THE YELLOW SNAKE (Franz Joseph Gottlieb, West Germany 1962/63) - 7/10 (20)
(DVD / Original German Version / 2nd)


14. 03. 08:
DEAD MAN (Jim Jarmusch, USA/Germany/Japan 1994) - 10/10 (25)
(35mm / O.V. with German subtitles / out of focus / 2nd)




15. 03. 08:
LAND WITHOUT BREAD (Luis Buñuel, Spain 1933) - 9/10 (22)
(35mm / O.V. with English Subtitles / wrong aspect ratio)
SIMON OF THE DESERT (Luis Buñuel, Mexico 1965) - 8/10 (21)
(35mm / O.V. with English Subtitles)
AN ANDALUSIAN DOG (Luis Buñuel, France 1928) - 9/10 (22)
(35mm / Original version / French intertitles without subtitles / 2nd)
THE GOLDEN AGE (Luis Buñuel, France 1930) - 6/10 (19)
(35mm / O.V. with English subtitles / wrong aspect ratio)
SPIDER LILIES (Zero Chou, Taiwan 2007) - 7/10 (19)
(DVD / Cantonese dubbed version with English subtitles)
LAND OF THE DEAD (George A. Romero, Canada /France/USA 2006) - 9/10 (23)
(DVD / O.V. with bad German Subtitles / 3rd)




16. 03. 08:
SWEENEY TODD - THE DEMON BARBER OF FLEET STREET (Tim Burton, UK/USA 2007) - 7/10 (20)
(Digital / O.V. with German Subtitles - German dubbed version / wrong aspect ratio of 1:1,66)




17. 03. 08:
THE DOOR WITH SEVEN LOCKS (Alfred Vohrer, West Germany/France 1962) - No Rating
(DVD / Original German Version / 4th)
THE DISCREET CHARME OF THE BOURGEOISIE (Luis Buñuel, France/Italy/Spain 1972) - 9/10 (24)
(35mm / O.V. with German Subtitles / excellent print)
THE WAVE (Dennis Gansel, Germany 2007) - 6/10 (18)
(35mm / Original German Version / wrong aspect ratio of approximately 1:2,20)




18. 03. 08:
LURED (Douglas Sirk, USA 1947) - 7/10 (20)
(DVD / O.V. with German Subtitles)




19. 03. 08:
THE DEVILS (Ken Russell, UK 1971) - 9/10 (22)
(VHS / German dubbed Version / wrong aspect ratio of 1:1,85)




20. 03. 08:
HEAD ON (Fatih Akin, Germany /Turkey 2003) - 9/10 (24)
(SVCD / Original Geman / Turkish Version with German subtitles)




21. 03. 08:
CAPTAIN KRONOS - VAMPIRE HUNTER (Brian Clemens, UK 1973) - 8/10 (20)
(DVD / German dubbed Version)
THE CURSE OF THE CRYING WOMAN (Rafael Baledón, Mexico 1961) - 7/10 (17)
(DVD / O.V. with English Subtitles)




22. 03. 08:
INVESTIGATION OF A CITIZEN ABOVE SUSPICION (Elio Petri, Italy 1969) - 10/10 (23)
(VHS / German dubbed Version / wrong aspect ratio of 1:1,59 / bad image)
PICKPOCKET (Robert Bresson, France 1959) - 9/10 (23)
(DVD / O.V. with German Subtitles)
DIE STORY / THE STORY (Eckhart Schmidt, West Germany 1983) - 5/10 (13)
(DVD / Original German Version / wrong aspect ratio of 1:1,72)




23. 03. 08:
THE CLOCK (Vincente Minnelli, USA 1944) - 8/10 (21)
(VHS / German dubbed Version)
TRISTANA (Luis Buñuel, Spain/France/Italy 1970) - 7/10 (20)
(35mm / German dubbed Version)
ELECTROMA (Thomas Bangalter, Guy-Manuel De Homem-Christo, France/USA 2006) - 9/10 (22)
(DVD / Original Version)
CHINGACHGOOK, DIE GROSSE SCHLANGE (Richard Groschopp, East Germany 1966) - 9/10 (22)
(35mm / Original German Version)




25. 03. 08:
LEMORA - A CHILD'S TALE OF THE SUPERNATURAL (Richard Blackburn, USA 1973) - 9/10 (22)
(DVD / Original English Version)


27. 03. 08:
BULLET BALLET (Shinya Tsukamoto, Japan 1998) - 9/10 (22)
(DVD / O.V. with English Subtitles)
HAPPY TOGETHER (Kar-Wai Wong, Hong Kong 1997) - 9/10 (22)
(35mm / O.V. with German Subtitles)
2046 (Kar-Wai Wong, Hong Kong/China/France/Germany 2004) - 7/10 (20)
(35mm / O.V. with German Subtitles)




28. 03. 08:
DEMONIA (Lucio Fulci, Italy 1989/90) - 8/10 (21)
(DVD / German dubbed Version)





29. 03. 08:
KUNG FU MASTER NAMED DRUNK CAT (Sum Cheung, Hong Kong 1978) - 6/10 (18)
(35mm / German dubbed Version / damaged print)


30. 03. 08:
10.000 BC (Roland Emmerich, USA/New Zealand 2007/08) - 4/10 (11)
(Digital / German dubbed Version / wrong aspect ratio)
THE PHANTOM OF LIBERTY (Luis Buñuel, France/Italy 1974) - 7/10 (19)
(35mm / O.V. with German Subtitles / wrong aspect ratio)
THE WEARY DEATH (Fritz Lang, Germany 1921) - No Rating
(35mm / Original Version / wrong aspect ratio / Live Piano Accompaniment)



31. 03. 08:
NIGHT OF THE HUNTED (Jean Rollin, France 1980) - 9/10 (22)
(DVD / O.V. with German Subtitles / wrong aspect ratio)
QUERELLE (Rainer Werner Fassbinder, West Germany/France 1982) - 10/10 (23)
(DVD / German dubbed Version / bad image)
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Re: The thief who steals my time...

Postby wpqx » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:22 am

Is the Weary Death the same as Der Mutt Todd or Destiny?
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