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AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:24 am
by wpqx
Well this list is somewhat personal to me. Years ago (8 years to be exact) I got into film. My go to list was the American Film Institute's ranking of the 100 best films. I didn't take it as the word of god, but without any real idea where to start, this seemed like a decent launching ground. Still today a great deal of my top 100, and all but one film in my top 10 were featured on this original list. 9 years later the AFI is redoing the list, and although you lose the 10 year significance, it does seem like the list would be quite different. Looking at the ballot today I found myself dismayed for a couple reasons. For starters, I have only seen about 384 films of the 400 ballot (I honestly thought I'd need to see 5). Then I looked at the films I haven't seen and I shook my head that these were being even considered for the list. Throughout the 400 I shook my head and said "please don't vote for that". I literally just breezed through it to find films I haven't seen yet, so I can't complain much about worthwhile films that were secluded. Of the films I haven't seen there are a few surprises:

Cabin in the Sky (Minnelli, Vincente; 1943; US)
The Cheat (DeMille, Cecil; 1915; US)
Hoosiers (Anspaugh, David; 1986; US)
Pillow Talk (Gordon, Michael; 1959; US)
The Poor Little Rich Girl (Tourneur, Maurice; 1917; US)
Porgy and Bess (Preminger, Otto; 1959; US)
Return of the Secaucus 7 (Sayles, John; 1980; US)
Risky Business (Brickman, Paul; 1983; US)
Sleepless in Seattle (Ephron, Nora; 1993; US)
Stormy Weather (Stone, Andrew; 1943; US)
There's Something About Mary (Farrelly, Bobby, Farrelly, Peter; 1998; US)

Risky Business I have a bit of a problem with, and I can't understand the AFI's fascination with Hoosiers. It was bad enough that Dennis Hopper was nominated for that over Blue Velvet, but I figure 20 years later people would rightfully ignore the film. Also seeing Poor Little Rich Girl as opposed to Tourneur's much better regarded Blue Bird, but I think the film is more for Mary Pickford than Tourneur. The inclusion of both Cabin in the Sky and Stormy Weather seems very much in tune with the industry's dire need to feel like they're embracing black people, and the recent DVD releases of both films could have something to do with it. Ace in the Hole is the first film alphabetically on the list, and that is a remarkably good sign. The only problem is based upon the AFI's criteria that the film must be available, I don't know how that qualified.

Curious to note is Last Tango in Paris is on the list, and if that's an American film, well it just goes to show you how pointless these distinctions are. George Cukor's Star is Born was nominated, but Wellman's superior (IMO) earlier version was not. Sleepless in Seattle as well as An Affair to Remember represent the safe bland crap that typically populate such AFI lists. Philadelphia is also on the ballot, but I doubt it has a chance in hell of making the list. So here's a copy of their PDF ballot, take a look and voice your complaint. Lots of new additions to the old list, including The Shining.

www.worldalmanac.com/blog/afiballot.pdf

Re: AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:34 pm
by A
I didn' care much about the original list when it came out, and I remember a lot of people complaining about it. I think Jonathan Rosenbaum even did an alternate Top 100 that seemed much more interesting to me.
Of course, the more people vote... I mean, how can you seriously include Sleepless in Seattle for consideration?
But I guess I have to see most of the 400 films yet, as I'm not as knowledgable as you when it comes to US films.
My 56K modem is taking a bit long to open the link, and now that it's finished I cannot read its content - only some cryptic signs...

Re: AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:46 pm
by wpqx
Of the films remaining most of them don't particular interest me, but a few I already planned to see, just never got around to it. I'm leaning towards a marathon of exploitation films now that Grindhouse is being released here today.

Re: AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:50 pm
by wpqx
Well here's the list as revealed last night.

100. Ben-Hur (1959)
99. Toy Story (1995)
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)
97. Blade Runner (1982)
96. Do the Right Thing (1989)
95. The Last Picture Show (1971)
94. Pulp Fiction (1994)
93. The French Connection(1971)
92. Goodfellas (1990)
91. Sophies Choice (1982)
90. Swing Time (1936)
89. The Sixth Sense (1999)
88. Bringing Up Baby (1938)
87. 12 Angry Men (1957)
86. Platoon (1986)
85. A Night at the Opera (1935)
84. Easy Rider (1969)
83. Titanic (1997)
82. Sunrise (1927)
81. Spartacus (1960)
80. The Apartment (1960)
79. The Wild Bunch (1969)
78. Modern Times (1936)
77. All the Presidents Men (1976)
76. Forest Gump (1994)
75. In the Heat of the Night (1967)
74. Silence of the Lambs (1991)
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)
72. The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
71. Saving Private Ryan (1998)
70. A Clockwork Orange (1971)
69. Tootsie (1982)
68. Unforgiven (1992)
67. Whos Afraid of Virginia Woolf (1966)
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
65. The African Queen (1951)
64. Network (1976)
63. Cabaret (1972)
62. American Graffiti (1973)
61. Sullivans Travels (1941)
60. Duck Soup (1933)
59. Nashville (1975)
58. The Gold Rush (1925)
57. Rocky (1976)
56. Jaws (1975)
55. North By Northwest (1959)
54. M*A*S*H* (1970)
53. The Deer Hunter (1978)
52. Taxi Driver (1976)
51. West Side Story (1961)
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
49. Intolerance (1916)
48. Rear Window (1954)
47. A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)
46. It Happened One Night (1934)
45. Shane (1953)
44. The Philadelphia Story (1940)
43. Midnight Cowboy (1969)
42. Bonnie and Clyde (1967)
41. King Kong (1933)
40. The Sound of Music (1965)
39. Dr. Strangelove (1964)
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
37. The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1941)
35. Annie Hall (1977)
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarves (1937)
33. One Flew Over the Cuckoos Next (1975)
32. The Godfather, Part II (1974)
31. The Maltese Falcon (1941)
30. Apocalypse Now (1979)
29. Double Indemnity (1944)
28. All About Eve (1950)
27. High Noon (1952)
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
25. To Kill a Mockingbird (1962)
24. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
23. The Grapes of Wrath (1940)
22. Some Like it Hot (1959)
21. Chinatown (1974)
20. Its A Wonderful Life (1946)
19. On the Waterfront (1954)
18. The General (1927)
17. The Graduate (1967)
16. Sunset Blvd (1950)
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
14. Psycho (1960)
13. Star Wars (1977)
12. The Searchers (1956)
11. City Lights (1931)
10. Wizard of Oz (1939)
9. Vertigo (1958)
8. Schindlers List (1993)
7. Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
6. Gone with the Wind (1939)
5. Singing in the Rain (1952)
4. Raging Bull (1980)
3. Casablanca (1942)
2. The Godfather (1972)
1. Citizen Kane (1941)

Re: AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:58 pm
by wpqx
Now a few glaring ommisions from the last list have been rectified. Now they are acknowledging Intolerance, Buster Keaton, Sunrise, Preston Sturges, Nashville, Spike Lee, and an Astair and Rogers film. I can also breath easy knowing that I have seen all 100 films, despite not having seen all 400 films on the ballot.

Now of course the list of complaints was going to be hefty. I'm upset Beh-Hur dropped all the way to #100. Also pisses me off that Pulp Fiction is STILL below Forest Gump, and now Shawshank Redemption.

Oh and the top of the "@#%$ this list" awards goes to snubbing All Quiet on the Western Front, which was on the last list, and is quite possibly the greatest film ever made. That said all hopes of the list being an improvement on the last have gone up in smoke.

Anyways more bitching surely to come, but at least the Searchers isn't sitting at #96 anymore.

Re: AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:19 pm
by arsaib4
Was Oliver Stone acknowledged before or is this someting new?

Re: AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:21 pm
by wpqx
Platoon was on the last list, and around the same position.

Re: AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:25 pm
by A
I think the list is Ok, but I still haven't seen all of the films, and a selection of 100 is pretty limited, though I'm not sure if I can take it serious without The Brown Bunny

Needless to say that my own list would look a bit different.

Re: AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:15 pm
by A
How about posting our alternative lists, or a list of films you would possibly include in your Top 100 which aren't mentioned in the AFI list?

Here goes my selection of possible contenders ( in chronological order):

Shoulder Arms (Charles Chaplin / 1918)
Our Hospitality (Buster Keaton, John G. Blystone / 1923)
The Wind (Victor Sjstrm / 1928)
A Woman of Affairs (Clarence Brown / 1928)
Dishonored (Josef von Sternberg / 1931)
Frankenstein (James Whale / 1931)
Queen Christina (Rouben Mamoulien / 1933)
Design for Living (Ernst Lubitsch / 1933)
Now, Voyager (Irving Rapper / 1942)
To Be or Not to Be (Ernst Lubitsch / 1942)
Five Graves to Cairo (Billy Wilder / 1943)
Notorious (Alfred Hitchcock / 1946)
Monsieur Verdoux (Charles Chaplin / 1947)
Rope (Alfred Hitchcock / 1948)
Limelight (Charles Chaplin / 1952)
Magnificent Obsession (Douglas Sirk / 1954)
Rebel without a Cause (Nicholas Ray / 1955)
The Night of the Hunter (Charles Laughton / 1955)
East of Eden (Elia Kazan / 1955)
The Incredible Shrinking Man (Jack Arnold / 1957)
Paths of Glory (Stanley Kubrick / 1957)
Anatomy of a Murder (Otto Preminger / 1959)
Judgment at Nuremberg (Stanley Kramer / 1961)
Carnival of Souls (Herk Harvey / 1962)
The Birds (Alfred Hitchcock / 1963)
Salesman (Albert Maysles, David Maysles, Charlotte Zwerin / 1968)
Five Easy Pieces (Bob Rafelson / 1970)
Zabriskie Point (Michelangelo Antonioni / 1970)
Fingers (James Toback / 1977)
The Elephant Man (David Lynch / 1980)
The Big Red One [reconstructed version] (Samuel Fuller / 1980)
Permanent Vacation (Jim Jarmusch / 1980)
Eyewitness (Peter Yates / 1981)
Pennies from Heaven (Herbert Ross / 1981)
Victor/Victoria (Blake Edwards / 1982)
Conan the Barbarian (John Milius / 1982)
Scarface (Brian De Palma / 1983)
Stranger than Paradise (Jim Jarmusch / 1983)
Blue Velvet (David Lynch / 1986)
The Unbearable Lightness of Being (Philip Kaufman / 1988)
Batman (Tim Burton / 1989)
Back to the Future Part II (Robert Zemeckis / 1989)
Edward Scissorhands (Tim Burton / 1990)
Dances with Wolves (Kevin Costner / 1990)
Wild at Heart (David Lynch / 1990)
The Fisher King (Terry Gilliam / 1991)
Paris Trout (Stephen Gyllenhaal / 1991)
Of Mice and Men (Gary Sinise / 1992)
Basic Instinct (Paul Verhoeven / 1992)
King of the Hill (Steven Soderbergh / 1993)
Flesh and Bone (Steven Kloves / 1993)
Mad Dog and Glory (John McNaughton / 1993)
Fearless (Peter Weir / 1993)
A Perfect World (Kevin Costner / 1993)
Arizona Dream (Emir Kusturica / 1993)
Groundhog Day (Harold Ramis / 1993)
Maverick (Richard Donner / 1994)
The Addiction (Abel Ferrara / 1995)
Se7en (David Fincher / 1995)
Twelve Monkeys (Terry Gilliam / 1995)
Leaving Las Vegas (Mike Figgis / 1995)
Heat (Michael Mann / 1995)
Dead Man (Jim Jarmusch / 1995)
The Ice Storm (Ang Lee / 1997)
I Married a Strange Person! (Bill Plympton / 1997)
Lost Highway (David Lynch / 1997)
Gattaca (Andrew Niccol / 1997)
Pi (Darren Aronofsky / 1998)
Rushmore (Wes Anderson / 1998)
Dark City (Alex Proyas / 1998)
The Big Lebowski (Joel and Ethan Coen / 1998)
Celebrity (Woody Allen / 1998)
City of Angels (Brad Silberling / 1998)
Buffalo '66 (Vincent Gallo / 1998)
The Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick / 1998)
Magnolia (Paul Thomas Anderson / 1999)
Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick / 1999)
Jesus' Son (Alison Maclean / 1999)
Sweet and Lowdown (Woody Allen / 1999)
Being John Malkovich (Spike Jonze / 1999)
Before Night Falls (Julian Schnabel / 2000)
Cast Away (Robert Zemeckis / 2000)
Unbreakable (M. Night Shyamalan / 2000)
Mulholland Dr. (David Lynch / 2001)
Monster's Ball (Marc Forster / 2001)
The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson / 2001)
The Hours (Stephen Daldry / 2002)
Punch-Drunk Love (Paul Thomas Anderson / 2002)
Adaptation. (Spike Jonze / 2002)
25th Hour (Spike Lee / 2002)
The Brown Bunny (Vincent Gallo / 2003)
21 Grams (Alejandro Gonzlez Irritu / 2003)
Before Sunset (Richard Linklater / 2004)
Birth (Jonathan Glazer / 2004)
The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou (Wes Anderson / 2004)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry / 2004)
The New World (Terrence Malick / 2005)

Re: AFI's 100 Years 100 Movies - 10 Years Later

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:47 pm
by wpqx
Dances With Wolves was on the original list, another slight this time around that irked me. I could certainly come up with another 100 that weren't here. I'm intrigued by some of your choices, and am somewhat impressed you have selected A Woman of Affairs, which remains my favorite one of Garbo's silent films and a picture remarkably ahead of its time.

I also FINALLY rented The Brown Bunny so I'll be able to see what you and arsaib find so damn fascinating about it.