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the top 20 influencial films ever

Postby eldalieva » Tue Feb 04, 2003 4:04 am

not the greatest, not your favorites, the most influential , give me 20 if you can (include obvious ones like citizen kane, metropolis, battleship, etc, no nation matters

Re: the top 20 influencial films ever

Postby john-5 » Tue Feb 04, 2003 11:04 am

Lumiere shorts (1895)
Birth of a Nation (Griffith, 1915)
The Cabinet of Dr Caligari (Wiene, 1920. Though in some ways it was also a dead end.)
Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein, 1925)
Metropolis (Lang, 1927)
Un Chien Andalou (Bunuel, 1928)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (Disney, 1937)
La Regle du Jeu (Renoir, 1939)
Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)
Rome Open City (Rossellini, 1945)
Bicycle Thieves (De Sica, 1948)
Rashomon (Kurosawa, 1950)
The Seventh Seal (Bergman, 1956)
Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)
Breathless (Godard, 1959)
Psycho (Hitchcock, 1960)
8 1/2 (Fellini, 1963)
The Godfather (Coppola, 1972)
Taxi Driver (Scorsese, 1976)
Star Wars (Lucas, 1977)
The Terminator (Cameron, 1984)
Pulp Fiction (Tarantino, 1994)

Sorry, a quickly drawn up 22 (was more, but i cut out some.) Some made immmediate impact, others grew over time. Heaven's Gate was inadvertently influential. Goodfellas, Close Up, Toy Story, Hiroshima mon Amour, L'Avventura, Tokyo Story, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Les 400 Coups, L'Atalante, Voyage to Italy also influential. Opinions of Cahiers du Cinema critics in the 50's.

Re: the top 20 influencial films ever

Postby wvq » Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:49 pm

That doesn't look too bad. One might object to a few things though. First, no documentary appears on the list, unless you count the Lumiere shorts. Nanook of the North, maybe. I'll admit, my knowledge of non-fiction cinema is pretty limited.

Second, there isn't any straight comedy here. (I don't think the Renoir counts. I suppose one could also make a case that Un Chien Andalou is a comedy. Perhaps, but I'm not so sure that it's been influential AS a comedy.) However, I'm not so sure what comedy to put up here. Any suggestions? Or do we not want one at all? A Chaplin might seem an obvious choice, although I'm not so sure how influential he's been.

Third, there isn't much genre work here: no western, no musical, no gangster film, no film noir, etc. I think that of the genres, the western may be important enough to have a representative here. (Of course, this may all depend on how important you think that American cinema is to the cinema in general.) Anyway, I suppose it ought to be Stagecoach or The Searchers, right? (Does anyone think we need a musical here?)

Fourth, I'm not so sure that The Terminator and Pulp Fiction belong here. They've certainly been influential, but they simply seem too recent to have been THAT influential.

And finally, a few films that haven't been mentioned yet:
Melies shorts (A Voyage to the Moon?)
The Great Train Robbery
The Night of the Living Dead

(I'm having some trouble coming up with more for that little list. But this will be in the back of my mind the rest of the day, and so maybe I'll come up with some other things.)

Re: the top 20 influencial films ever

Postby wvq » Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:52 pm

Oh yeah, I suppose someone might want a representative of the avant-garde cinema other than Un Chien Andalou. Of course, one might object that avant-garde cinema hasn't exerted a great deal of influence on the cinema at large.

Re: the top 20 influencial films ever

Postby bigpoppa_2059 » Fri Feb 07, 2003 5:26 am

Purely influtential, I agree with most of the list, though don't forget the early special effects pioneer Melies and over 500! of Griffith's Biograph shorts in which he essentially defined every aspect for years to come of film grammar and language. Italy's Quo Vadis, Jolson's "The Jazz Singer" just for being the first talkie. "The Godfather" of course, and "Pulp Fiction" was the most influential film of the 90's.

Re: the top 20 influencial films ever

Postby wpqx » Sat Feb 15, 2003 10:07 pm

This is always an interesting topic. As always a certain degree of opinion can determine what is influential. For example, Birth of a Nation might be better known, but is it as influential as Intolerance in the long run?
1. Citizen Kane
2. Battleship Potemkin
3. Breathless
4. Psycho
5. Forty Second Street
6. The Apu Trilogy
7. Double Indemnity
8. Seventh Seal
9. Rashomon
10. 8 1/2
11. Star Wars
12. The General
13. 2001
14. City Lights
15. Intolerance
16. Nanook of the North
17. Napoleon
18. Passion of Joan of Arc
19. The Bicycle Thief
20. The Searchers
These are just a running list, off the top of my head, so don't castrate me because of an omition.

Re: the top 20 influencial films ever

Postby dbfilmmaker » Tue Feb 18, 2003 10:17 pm

Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
The Jazz Singer
The Godfather
A Clockwork Orange
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Gold Rush
Seven Samurai
Taxi Driver
Birth of a Nation
Singin' in the Rain
Citizen Kane
On the Waterfront
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
The Godfather, Part II
8 1/2
The Exorcist
Some Like it Hot

Re: the top 20 influencial films ever

Postby bigpoppa_2059 » Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:44 am

Purely influential films are (in my opinion)

Birth of A Nation (like it or not, Griffith was a genius)
Citizen Kane (inspired more filmmakers than any other film)
A Bout De Souffle
Stagecoach (set the principles of every modern western)
2001: A Space Oddyssey
Battleship Potemkin (still the greatest editing ever)
City Lights (any Chaplin film really)
La Dolce Vita
Jaws (changed movies forever by being the 1st blockbuster)
Taxi Driver
Seven Samurai (Coppola and Lucas idolized Kurosawa)
The Seventh Seal
Faces (Cassavetes is the godhead of independent film)
The Apartment (wait...a film can be funny and sad?!??)
La Regle De Jeu
The Godfather
Bringing up Baby (the granddaddy of screwball comedies)
The 400 Blows
The General (Keaton was the greatest)
Metropolis (1926)
The Maltese Falcon (the first detective noir)
Annie Hall
Un Chien Andalou
Trouble in Paradise (the father of sophistication in movies
was Lubitsch.)

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