asian newave...

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Re: asian newave...

Postby nana » Fri Feb 02, 2001 6:25 pm

i understand asian newave is not specific enough. i'm guess i mean far east asia like of
taiwan, hong kong, japan, south korea, malaysia etc...
i understand the concern of being too broad, but it is an intro. for people that don't
probably dig subtitles all that much. i'm not trying to preach to the converted.
i think people can learn so much more than the film itself...maybe culture, values geography
associated with the film.

also, the point about different influences and catalysts...i'm sure even if you just pick a
handful of hong kong directors, there's are many influences be it other films, literature,
photography etc...

i appreciate all coments,
---nana
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Re: asian newave...

Postby Hectate » Sat Feb 03, 2001 7:07 am

Acque--I was simply relating to my liking thitherwards the guy. I may have diverted upon the subject matter on the board--yet it was not to deliberately loose you.

I'll watch out next time. I like your website, by the way--oops, I digress yet again.
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Re: asian newave...

Postby nana » Thu Feb 08, 2001 4:35 am

bunny---

i don't recall bashing you. i simply said form is important. i personally try to dig a film from many perspectives, most if not all of which lead to of the mind and of the heart(like most things). for me ultimately, it is the
heart that matters though i love cerebral film also.
i don't know what more to say. keep watching what you like,
ultimately it is you that matters, but be open to new things. i'm not a big 8.5 fan nor big citizen kane fan.
actually...i don't think the films in the top 10(this site) are that great.
---nana

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Re: asian newave...

Postby acquarello » Fri Feb 09, 2001 4:06 pm

My only resistance is that if the term "new wave" is applied too loosely, then the distinction between a stylized, high energy film (like "Chungking Express" and "Hana-Bi") and a simple action film is blurred.

On a side note, please discontinue the venomous language being posted on this forum – it goes against the spirit of community that the owner of the site is trying to foster.

acquarello
www.filmref.com
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Re: asian newave...

Postby theairburns » Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:46 pm

I'm trying to find any info (reviews I can't find) on a film I saw recently, Angel Dust by Sogo Ishii--a remarkable film.
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Re: asian newave...

Postby theairburns » Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:46 pm

I'm trying to find any info (reviews I can't find) on a film I saw recently, Angel Dust by Sogo Ishii--a remarkable film.
theairburns
 

Re: asian newave...

Postby katsuben » Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:34 am

i love racking my brain when i watch a film but not to find "hidden" meaning. when one becomes familiar with style it becomes clear what is being said by virtue of how it is being said. it's not about discovery of secrets, watching good cinema is rewarding because it exercises the mind, much like a 5 mile jog exercises the body better than a few rounds of taebo in the morning. bunny, you like plot twists (in general) right? because they surprise and provide pleasure because you didn't expect them. well, actively analysing film technique as the movie unfolds is like having a plot twist every few seconds (in a good film) and it can be an immensely more satisfying experience. that's about the best way i can think of explaining the love of film form. once you open that little box of inestimably beautiful jewels nested in the corner of the cinematic preponderance of fool's gold, there's no turning back. it makes it very difficult to watch television! :) i hope this doesn't sound snobbish because it's not supposed to. i really am very passionate that film be studied formally in school, taught as grammar is taught to effectively understand language. film without form is like language without grammar, and the only reason we take grammar for granted (us lucky ones) is because it's second nature. most of the world reads film as if they were 8 year olds struggling with verbs, nouns, and adjectives. obviously, it's far more fun to read shakespeare (okay, fitzgerald. . .) when one knows the syntax of english. passionate rant complete. my apologies. . . :-/
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Re: asian newave...

Postby nana » Tue Feb 13, 2001 12:59 am

ok...i used to be into punk(underground music) there is a similar analogy concerning forms in film/music. maybe it will help...or not. i.e. rage against the machine, for example, is very anti-imperialism/anti-corporate multinational domination/almost socialist in its ideals. revolutional!!!!!! blah, blah, blah lyrically.
they do benefits, have radical video on mtv, blah, blah blah...
yet they are/were on sony(a very big multinational corporation right and got paid pretty well i imagine) there's the contradiction...bashing
the mtv generation with a mtv video???

my point: they use the same formula/technique/form as the mainstreram media to try to subvert the medium itself. fugazi, on the other hand, have minimal ties with big companies and don't outright preach against the mainstream
paradigm, but they are using the "form" to subvert.

on to film...

take Darren Aronofsky's recent requiem for a dream and a stanely kwan film for example. they both try to subvert the dominate paradigm, but one uses the content/story(requiem) while the other uses form(kwan) and frankly, kwan's work is
wayyyyyyy more important(i know it's only my opinion)than this techno/ravie/predictatble/shocking wannabe
requiem for a dream trash.

---nana
ps. i do think content is important also, but many filmgoers, stated in funkyduck's response, go no further than content. it's so sad.

nana
 

Re: asian newave...

Postby katsuben » Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:51 am

in agreeance vis a vis 'requiem for a dream'. disappointing. it's like aronofsky knew he had one chance to make a not-very-subtle downbeat film while he was hot and he took it, which is admirable. but the product is a farce. question: is aronofsky directing blame (or at least responsibility) on the individual or on some kind of television/fantasy/ideology? in either case, the material is mis-represented. quite a disaster.
katsuben
 

Re: asian newave...

Postby katsuben » Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:55 am

in agreeance vis a vis 'requiem for a dream'. disappointing. it's like aronofsky knew he had one chance to make a not-very-subtle downbeat film while he was hot and he took it, which is admirable. but the product is a farce. question: is aronofsky directing blame (or at least responsibility) on the individual or on some kind of television/fantasy apparatus? in either case, the material is mis-represented. quite a disaster.
katsuben
 

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