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Alternate Oscars

Postby wpqx1 » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:53 am

It's not too early to start thinking about the next Oscar ceremony. Seeing as how they rarely get it right, I offer this forum to voice your own picks for best picture from 1927/28 through 2002, or 2003.
1927/28 - The Circus
28/29 - Steamboat Bill Jr.
29/30 - All Quiet on the Western Front
30/31 - City Lights
31/32 - The Grand Hotel
32/33 - Duck Soup
34 - It Happened One Night
35 - Top Hat
36 - San Fransisco
37 - A Star is Born
38 - The Grand Illusion
39 - Gone With the Wind
40 - The Philadelphia Story
41 - Citizen Kane
42 - Yankee Doodle Dandy
43 - Casablanca
44 - None (They all sucked)
45 - To Have and Have Not
46 - A Matter of Life and Death
47 - Great Expectations
48 - Oliver Twist
49 - The Bicycle Thief
50 - Sunset Boulevard
51 - Los Olvidados
52 - Singin' in the Rain
53 - From Here to Eternity
54 - On the Waterfront
55 - East of Eden
56 - The Searchers
57 - Paths of Glory
58 - The Seventh Seal
59 - Ben-Hur
60 - Psycho
61 - La Dolce Vita
62 - Lawrence of Arabia
63 - 8 1/2
64 - Dr. Strangelove
65 - Dr. Zhivago
66 - Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
67 - The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
68 - 2001: A Space Odyssey
69 - The Wild Bunch
70 - Patton
71 - A Clockwork Orange
72 - The Godfather
73 - Mean Streets
74 - Chinatown
75 - Nashville
76 - Taxi Driver
77 - Star Wars
78 - Interiors
79 - Apocalypse Now
80 - Ordinary People (seriously)
81 - Reds
82 - Pink Floyd's The Wall
83 - Fanny and Alexander
84 - Once Upon a Time in America
85 - Ran
86 - Platoon
87 - The Princess Bride
88 - Last Temptation of Christ
89 - Do the Right Thing
90 - Dances With Wolves (I'm not kidding)
91 - JFK
92 - Malcolm X
93 - Schindler's List
94 - Pulp Fiction
95 - Toy Story
96 - Fargo
97 - LA Confidential
98 - Saving Private Ryan
99 - Magnolia
2000 - Requiem for a Dream
2001 - Moulin Rouge
2002 - The Pianist
2003 (So Far) - Kill Bill vol. 1
That ought to get some of the gods angered. Sorry for the dominance of American movies, but that's what the Oscars were originally designed for.
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Re: Alternate Oscars

Postby HenryGinsberg » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:04 pm

I'l give this a try. It's been a while since I wrote a pointless list. I may not be able to think of a film for each year of the top of my head, but here goes.

28 - In Chienne Andolou
29 - pass
30 - All Quiet on the Western Front
31 - City Lights
32 - Scarface
33 - King Kong
34 - pass
35 - pass
36 - Modern Times
37 - pass
38 - La Grande Illusion
39 - The Rules of the Game
40 - The Great Dictator
41 - Citizen Kane
42 - pass
43 - pass
44 - Ivan the Terrible
45 - pass
46 - pass
47 - pass(I'm on a role here)
48 - Red River
49 - Bicycle Theives
50 - Rashomon
51 - pass
52 - Singin in the Rain
53 - pass
54 - Seven Samurai
55 - pass
56 - The Searchers
57 - 12 Angry Men
58 - Vertigo
59 - Breathless/The 400 Blows
60 - La Dolce Vita/The Apartment
61 - West Side Story
62 - Jules et Jim/Lawrence of Arabia
63 - 8 1/2
64 - Dr Strangelove
65 - Dr Zhivago
66 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly
67 - Belle de Jour
68 - Once Upon A Time in the West/2001
69 - Midnight Cowboy
70 - Five Easy Peices
71 - A Clockwork Orange
72 - The Godfather
73 - The Exorcist/Last Tango in Paris
74 - The Godfather Part II
75 - Barry Lyndon
76 - 1900/Taxi Driver
77 - Looking For Mr Goodbar/Annie Hall
78 - Midnight Express
79 - Apocalypse Now/Manhattan
80 - Raging Bull
81 - Das Boot
82 - Blade Runner
83 - Scarface
84 - Once Upon A Time in America
85 - Ran
86 - Jean de Florette
87 - Full Metal Jacket
88 - Rain Man
89 - Born on the 4th of July
90 - Goodfellas
91 - Terminator 2/La Belle Noiseuse
92 - Malcolm X
93 - Jurassic Park/Schindler's List
94 - The Lion King
95 - Heat/The City of Lost Childeren
96 - Crash/Breaking the Waves
97 - Boogie Nights
98 - American History X
99 - American Beauty
2000 - Memento/Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2001 - A.I/Mulholland Drive
2002 - The Pianist/Gangs of New York/LOTR/ Bowling For Columbine
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Re: Alternate Oscars

Postby auteur » Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:04 am

Why not? Let me take a break at the end of the 50s though. I'll try to name one English and one foreign language per year but not when quality is compromised.

1927. SUNRISE
1928. LA PASSION DE JEANNE D'ARC
1929. DIARY OF A LOST GIRL + UN CHIEN ANDALOU
1930. THE BLUE ANGEL + L'AGE D'OR
1931. CITY LIGHTS + LA CHIENNE(Renoir)
1932. FREAKS + SHANGHAI EXPRESS
1933. ZERO DE CONDUITE(Vigo)
1934. L'ATALANTE + SCARLET EMPRESS
1935. THE INFORMER + AN INN IN TOKYO(Ozu)
1936. MODERN TIMES + A DAY IN THE COUNTRY(Renoir)
1937. UN GRAND ILLUSION
1938. ALEXANDR NEVSKI
1939. THE RULES OF THE GAME
1940. PINOCCHIO + THE GREAT DICTATOR
1941. CITIZEN KANE
1942. MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS + OSSESSIONE(Visconti)
1943. CASABLANCA
1944. MIRACLE OF MORGAN'S CREEK
1945. IVAN THE TERRIBLE + ROMA:OPEN CITY + THE SOUTHERNER
1946. SHOESHINE + NOTORIOUS
1947. MONSIEUR VERDOUX
1948. BICYCLE THIEVES + LA TERRA TREMA
1949. SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON
1950. LOS OLVIDADOS + THE THIRD MAN
1951. RASHOMON + THE RIVER(Renoir)
1952. LIFE OF OHARU + IKIRU
1953. EARRINGS OF MADAME DE... + TOKYO STORY
1954. UGETSU + SANSHO THE BAILIFF + SALT OF THE EARTH
1955. PATHER PANCHALI + THE NIGHT OF THE HUNTER
1956. THE SEARCHERS + THE 7TH SEAL
1957. WILD STRAWBERRIES + NIGHTS OF CABIRIA
1958. VERTIGO + TOUCH OF EVIL
1959. FLOATING WEEDS + FRITZ LANG'S INDIAN EPIC

Lemme know if you're curious about the next 43 years, motivate me.
auteur
 

Re: Alternate Oscars

Postby wpqx1 » Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:20 pm

One of the problems with picking foreign films is finding out US release dates. Many films take several years to make their way over here. I kept this in consideration with my list. Believe me the Conformist is a better film than Patton, but it wasn't released until the next year in the US. I can however understand if no one else does as much research.
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Re: Alternate Oscars

Postby wpqx1 » Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:20 pm

One of the problems with picking foreign films is finding out US release dates. Many films take several years to make their way over here. I kept this in consideration with my list. Believe me the Conformist is a better film than Patton, but it wasn't released until the next year in the US. I can however understand if no one else does as much research.
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Re: Alternate Oscars

Postby john-5 » Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:53 am

Both Best Picture and Best Foreign Film. * = best overall that year. / = tie. "by default" = not really good enough, but nothing better to pick. Some years i couldn't muster up enough enthusiasm for any.

1928 Sunrise*. The Passion of Joan of Arc.
1929 Blackmail (by default). Man with a Movie Camera*
1930 All Quiet on the Western Front*. Earth
1931 City Lights*. Madchen in Uniform
1932 Love me Tonight. Boudu Saved from Drowning*
1933 King Kong/ Duck Soup. The Mascot (weak foreign year).
1934 It Happened one Night/ The Scarlet Empress. L'Atalante*
1935 Top Hat*. -
1936 Swing Time. Partie de Campagne*
1937 The Awful Truth (by default). La Grande Illusion*
1938 Bringing up Baby. Alexander Nevsky*
1939 Gone with the Wind/The Wizard of Oz. (overrated Hollywood year) La Regle du Jeu*/ Story of the Late Chrysanthemums*
1940 The Thief of Bagdad*. -
1941 Citizen Kane*. The Loyal 47 Ronin
1942 To Be or Not to Be*. -
1943 Casablanca*. Day of Wrath
1944 Double Indemnity. Ivan the Terrible
1945 -. Les Enfants du Paradis*
1946 The Big Sleep/ It's a Wonderful Life. Ivan the Terrible 2/ La Belle et la Bete
1947 Black Narcissus* -
1948 Letter from an Unknown Woman* -
1949 Kind Hearts and Coronets/ The Third Man. Late Spring*
1950 Sunset Boulevard. Orphée*
1951 The Lavender Hill Mob (by default)- . Miss Oyu*
1952 Singin in the Rain*. The Life of Oharu
1953 The Band Wagon. Tokyo Story (hon mention Ugetsu)
1954 Rear Window. Sansho the Bailiff* (hon mention Seven Samurai)
1955 Night of the Hunter. Pather Panchali/ Tales of the Taira Clan
1956 The Searchers*. A Man Escaped
1957 Paths of Glory. Aparajito
1958 Vertigo*. Hidden Fortress
1959 North by Northwest*/ Some Like it Hot*. Hiroshima mon Amour
1960 The Apartment*. L'Avventura/ Cloud-Capped Star
1961 El Cid*. The Human Condition
1962 Lawrence of Arabia*. Ivan's Childhood (by default)
1963 The Great Escape. 8 1/2* (hon mention The Leopard)
1964 Dr Strangelove*. The Gospel according to St Matthew
1965 Doctor Zhivago (by default). Pierrot le Fou*
1966 -. Persona*
1967 Bonnie and Clyde/ The Graduate. Mouchette.
1968 2001: A Space Odyssey*. The Colour of Pomegranates
1969 The Wild Bunch. Andrei Rublev*
1970 Five Easy Pieces. Claire's Knee*
1971 The French Collection/ Klute. Pakeezah*
1972 The Godfather/ Deliverance. Aguirre Wrath of God*
1973 Badlands. Spirit of the Beehive*
1974 The Godfather 2/ Chinatown. Alice in the Cities* (hon mention Celine and Julie go Boating)
1975 Barry Lyndon. Mirror*
1976 The Outlaw Josey Wales. Kings of the Road*
1977 - . Suspiria (by default- very weak year)
1978 The Deer Hunter*. The Marriage of Maria Braun
1979 Apocalypse Now* (hon mention Manhattan). Stalker
1980 The Shining/ Raging Bull. -
1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark. The Night of the Shooting Stars*
1982 The Draughtsman's Contract. Fanny and Alexander*
1983 Local Hero. Sans Soleil/ Nostlaghia (weak year all round)
1984 Paris Texas* (hon mention Once Upon a Time in America). Sunday in the Country
1985 Brazil*. Come and See
1986 Blue Velvet. The Green Ray*
1987 The Untouchables/ Hope and Glory. Red Sorghum/ My Girlfriend's Boyfriend
1988 - . Dekalog*
1989 - . Cinema Paradiso/ City of Sadness (weak year)
1990 Miller's Crossing/ The Sheltering Sky/ Goodfellas (difficult choice). Close Up
1991 The Silence of the Lambs. The Double Life of Veronique*
1992 Unforgiven (weak year). And Life Goes On*
1993 The Age of Innocence/ Schindler's List. Abraham Valley*
1994 Pulp Fiction. Chungking Express
1995 Toy Story (by default). Maborosi* (hon mention Ulysses' Gaze)
1996 The English Patient. Cyclo (by default)
1997 - . The Eel (by default)
1998 The Thin Red Line. Eternity and a Day*
1999 - . Rosetta*
2000 The Claim (by default). Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon*.
2001 Mulholland Drive*. Spirited Away
2002 Far from Heaven. Japon
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Re: Alternate Oscars

Postby auteur » Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:15 am

The vast majority of the films listed by John, Henry and wpqx would make my Top 10 for their respective years. Looking at the films you've listed from the 1960s and 70s, only [i]West Side Story[/i] and [i]Suspiria[/i] failed to make my Top 10s purely on artistic grounds.I do understand John's by-default listing of the latter, I couldn't come up with a single great film in '77.
There are three well-made films that I detest based on personal moral/political/philosophical points of view. Since I believe evil to be exclusively a human phenomenon, [i]The Exorcist[/i] didn't scare me. It's a crass recruitement poster for the Catholic church. I was repelled by the misogynist, puritanical message of [i]Looking for Mr. Goodbar[/i]. As a teen, I was seduced by the intensity of the [i]The Deer Hunter[/i]'s images and performances. Subsequent viewings have revealed the film to be deceitful and racist, with a Victorian take on male friendship and bonding that I find reprehensible. Below my list of 60s and 70s masterpieces (or damn close).
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Re: Alternate Oscars

Postby auteur » Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:30 am

1960. PEEPING TOM/ BREATHLESS + L'AVVENTURA
1961. PLACIDO + VIRIDIANA + LAST YEAR AT MARIENBAD
1962. MANCHRIAN CANDIDATE + THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE/ MAMMA ROMA + LA JETEE
1963. SHOCK CORRIDOR (Fuller)/ 8 1/2 + THE LEOPARD
1964. DR. STRANGELOVE/ EL VERDUGO(Berlanga) + SHADOWS OF OUR FORGOTTEN ANCESTORS
1965. FALSTAFF + REPULSION/ THE SHOP ON MAIN STREET
1966. AU HASARD BALTHAZAR + CLOSELY WATCHED TRAINS
1967. TITICUT FOLLIES/ PLAYTIME (Tati)
1968. 2001/ COLOR OF POMEGRANATES
1969. ANDREI RUBLEV
1970. WOODSTOCK/ THE CONFORMIST + GARDEN OF THE FINZI-CONTINIS
1971. McCABE AND MRS. MILLER + WALKABOUT/ MURMUR OF THE HEART
1972. SOUNDER/ THE DISCREET CHARM OF THE BOURGEOISIE
1973. AGUIRRE THE WRATH OF GOD + SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE
1974. HEARTS AND MINDS + CHINATOWN/ ALI:FEAR EATS THE SOUL
1975. NASHVILLE + BARRY LYNDON + ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
1976. CRIA
1977. none
1978. TREE OF WOODEN CLOGS
1979. APOCALYPSE NOW
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Re: Alternate Oscars

Postby john-5 » Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:47 pm

You make valid criticisms of The Deer Hunter. I also first saw it aged 17, and thought it was a magnificent anti-war film. Of course its failings (the racism and failure to properly question American involvement in Nam) have become more apparent since, but its strengths are still just about sufficient for Oscar in a weak year, i think.
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Re: Alternate Oscars

Postby HenryGinsberg » Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:31 pm

Auteur, I respect your sentiments towards Looking For Mr Goodbar and The Exorcist. Although you could justifiably make accusatons of misogyny against it, I really don't think that that is the intention of the film. Although the actions of Keaton's character in the film are portreyed in a bad light, the film is ultimately in paraise of her. It says that promiscuity can have life shattering reprocutions, but it also makes a lot more sense than the western ideals of love and romance. Keaton is initially attracted to the lifestyle we see in the film after her inability to have success via conventional relationships. What the film tells us is that society has decided for us how we are supposed to live our lives, and it is made almost impossible for us to be able to live any other way.

I think it is very good of you to acknowlege the technical strengths of films that don't necissarly appeal to you. To often, we end up denying that a film has any merit whatsoever simply because it didn't appeal to our personal taste.

You made an interesting point about The Exorcist. I'l talk about that later, when I can summon the mental energy.
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